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Somewhat related, I was in a comment thread elsewhere about the problem of evil, and the conclusion was that dropping omnipotence is arguably the simplest way out of that conundrum. A deity wouldn't even need to be necessarily omnipotent to start the ball rolling on a universe made of of finite matter, or to be more powerful than all of humanity.

An intriguing post for sure.

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There's a ton I disagree with here, but I just want to constrain myself to one section so as to avoid a (principally) explosive comment thread.

> However, assuming that God is "necessary" begs the question. We cannot answer the question "Does God exist?" simply by asserting His necessary existence. The Theist must first demonstrate that God is necessary, meaning that He must exist in every possible world. If God is necessary, then even the possibility of His non-existence would be a contradiction.

I think this is at least partly confused. Most theists take God's necessity to be an entailment of his defining property (say, maximal perfection just so we have something to work with). These sorts of claims can be understood conditionally (i.e. if God exists, he exists necessarily) which is precisely what motivates modal flavors of ontological arguments. This sort of reply isn't saying that God exists necessarily, it's saying that a contingent being *can't be God*.

> God is not necessary because it is conceivable that a world could exist without Him. Therefore, God does not have to exist, implying that He cannot be considered necessary. If God's existence is dependent on something higher, then He cannot be truly omnipotent. A true "God" would not be contingent.

This assumes conceivability implies possibility, which I think is straightforwardly false, and can plausibly rejected by theists.

> Thus, the only way to salvage the concept of God would be to consider Him a brute fact—contingent, yes, but not explained by anything else, as that would make Him a subject. By definition, a truly omnipotent being cannot be the subject of anything. This is why God could only exist as a brute fact. However, under the PSR, brute facts do not exist—so, neither can God.

This is also, I think, either contentious or confused. A theist might consider God *brutely necessary*. Depending on the construal of the PSR in question, one might think only contingent facts require explanations. In which case, God's brute necessity is on the table, particularly if one denies the conceivability argument outlined above. In any case, it's not clear from the definition given why a 'truly omnipotent' (I take this to just mean 'omnipotent') being couldn't be a 'subject'. In fact, I think theists are committed to thinking God is a subject! He's an agent! Now, presumably you mean 'subject to laws' or 'constrained in some way' but the theist who takes God's omnipotence to be something like "ability to bring about any logically possible state of affairs" surely isn't going to be subject (pun intended) to such an entailment.

Okay, as I said, more to say here but I wanted to restrict my comments to one section. Despite my criticisms I think this is an interesting argument!

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